How to be a fan of problematic things

Written by Rachael

I like things, and some of those things are problematic. I like Lord of the Rings even though it’s pretty fucked up with regard to women and race (any narrative that says “this whole race is evil” is fucked up, okay). I like A Song of Ice and Fire even though its portrayal of people of colour is problematic, and often I find that its in-text condemnation of patriarchy isn’t obvious enough to justify the sexism displayed. I like the movie Scott Pilgrim vs The World even though it is racist in its portrayal of Matthew Patel, panders to stereotypes in its portrayal of Wallace, and trivialises queer female sexuality in its portrayal of Ramona and Roxy’s relationship. For fuck’s sake, Ramona even says “It was a phase”! How much more cliche and offensive could this movie be? Oh wait, remember how Scott defeats Roxy, his only female adversary, by making her orgasm? Excuse me while I vomit…and then keep watching because I still like the rest of the movie.

Liking problematic things doesn’t make you an asshole. In fact, you can like really problematic things and still be not only a good person, but a good social justice activist (TM)! After all, most texts have some problematic elements in them, because they’re produced by humans, who are well-known to be imperfect. But it can be surprisingly difficult to own up to the problematic things in the media you like, particularly when you feel strongly about it, as many fans do. We need to find a way to enjoy the media we like without hurting other people and marginalised groups. So with that in mind, here are my suggestions for things we should try our darnedest to do as self-confessed fans of problematic stuff.

Firstly, acknowledge that the thing you like is problematic and do not attempt to make excuses for it. It is a unique irritation to encounter a person who point blank refuses to admit that something they like is problematic. Infuriatingly, people will often actually articulate some version of the argument “It can’t be problematic because I like it, and I’m nice”. Alternatively, some fans may find it tempting to argue “Well this media is a realistic portrayal of societies like X, Y, Z”. But when you say that sexism and racism and heterosexism and cissexism have to be in the narrative or the story won’t be realistic, what you are saying is that we humans literally cannot recognise ourselves without systemic prejudice, nor can we connect to characters who are not unrepentant bigots. Um, yikes. YIKES, you guys.

And even if you think that’s true (which scares the hell out of me), I don’t see you arguing for an accurate portrayal of everything in your fiction all the time. For example, most people seem fine without accurate portrayal of what personal hygiene was really like in 1300 CE in their medieval fantasy media. (Newsflash: realistically, Robb Stark and Jon Snow rarely bathed or brushed their teeth or hair). In real life, people have to go to the bathroom. In movies and books, they don’t show that very much, because it’s boring and gross. Well, guess what: bigotry is also boring and gross. But everyone is just dying to keep that in the script.

Especially do not ever suggest that people not take media “so seriously”, or argue that it’s “just” a tv show. The narratives that we surround ourselves with can subtly, subconsciously influence how we think about ourselves and others. That’s why creating imaginary fantasy and sci fi worlds that have more equal societies can be a powerful thing for marginalised people, who mainstream media rarely acknowledges as heroes. But even if you don’t think that media matters, there is still no reason to focus exclusively on unequal or problematic fictional worlds and narratives. If it doesn’t matter, why don’t YOU stop taking your media so seriously and stop fighting us on this? You with your constant demands for your narrow idea of “realism” (which by the way often sounds a lot like “show me naked skinny ciswomen, and gore”). If in your framework tv shows aren’t serious business, why does realism matter? Why can’t you accept that it would be totally cool to have AT LEAST ONE BIG MEDIEVAL FANTASY EPIC WHERE WOMEN AND POC WERE LIKE, EQUAL TO WHITE MEN AND STUFF. STOP TAKING IT SO SERIOUSLY.

Secondly, do not gloss over the issues or derail conversations about the problematic elements. Okay, so you can admit that Dune is problematic. But wait, you’re not done! You need to be willing to engage with people about it! It’s not enough to be like “Ok, I admit that it’s problematic that the major villain is a fat homosexual rapist, but come on, let’s focus on the giant sandworms!”. Shutting people down, ignoring or giving minimal treatment to their concerns, and refusing to fully engage with their issues is a form of oppression. Implicitly, you’re giving the message that this person’s feelings are less important than your own. In fact, in this case you’re saying that their pain is less important than your enjoyment of a book, movie or tv show. So when people raise these concerns, listen respectfully and try to understand the views. Do not change the topic.

Thirdly you must acknowledge other, even less favourable, interpretations of the media you like. Sometimes you still enjoy a movie or book because you read a certain, potentially problematic scene in a certain way – but others read it entirely differently, and found it more problematic. For example, consider the scene in Game of Thrones where Drogo rapes Dany (which he does not do in the books). One of my friends feels that it was portrayed like rape fetish porn, sexualising the act and Dany’s pain. But I feel that the scene focuses on Dany’s pain and tears in a manner that is not fetishising them (though even so the narrative is still totally fucked up because Dany and her rapist then go on to have a good, sexyfuntimes relationship…uh, no, HBO). I don’t agree with my friend’s interpretation but I recognise it as a totally valid reading of the scene.

Also, as a fan of problematic media, you need to respect the fact that others may be so upset or angered by media you love that they don’t want to engage with it at all. In fact, one of my best friends won’t watch HBO’s Game of Thrones because of the racism and misogyny. That’s a completely legitimate and valid response to that tv show, and me trying to convince her to give it another shot would be disrespectful and hurtful. If you badger others to see what you see in something when they are telling you it’s not enjoyable for them, you’re being an entitled jerk. You’re showing yourself to be willing to hurt a real person over a television show. That really is a sign you’re taking things too seriously.

As fans, sometimes we need to remember that the things we like don’t define our worth as people. So there’s no need to defend them from every single criticism or pretend they are perfect. Really loving something means seeing it as it really is, not as you wish it were. You can still be a good fan while acknowledging the problematic elements of the things you love. In fact, that’s the only way to be a good fan of problematic things.

248 thoughts on “How to be a fan of problematic things”

  1. I recommend Steven Erikson’s “The Malazan Book of the Fallen” for a high fantasy epic with a much better portrayal of women and people of colour.

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    1. I’ll be sure to check it out, thanks! Always looking for books to add to my very, very (very, very, very) long tbr pile.

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  2. Thanks for this article! It describes so many discussions I’ve had with people, usually about tv shows or movies. Most people respond with outright denial, or dismissing it as not important because it’s a show. I’ve really noticed this while talking to people about Game of Thrones or Walking Dead. The scary part isn’t that people like these things for their enjoyable qualities, it’s that they don’t see the sexism in it at all.

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  3. I think it’s important to remember that all good engagement with media will involve critique, both in with- and against-the-grain reading. Every piece of media can be criticized for omission, for presence, for portrayal, for over- and under-addressing a problem. Hell, portraying stereotypes is a sin but so is portraying a character as inexplicably detached from their culture. I think the idea that there is any media which isn’t in some way problematic is a difficult one for me to believe.

    That’s not to excuse this kind of problematic material at all, just to say that it’s not so much that we’re saying that our media is problematic as it is acknowledging problems to the degree that they exist. Clearly “Birth of a Nation” is problematic on a different level than “Lord of the Rings.” That said, we need to acknowledge and engage the problems of both.

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  4. I come at this from a totally different perspective: Software.

    People enjoy using a lot of different software, because it can be useful. For example, the author of this blog apparently uses Twitter. Many people I know use Microsoft Windows.

    But I don’t. I use free software.

    The problem is, most people just aren’t cognizant enough to understand that what they do is problematic. When someone says to me “I’ll send you a Word document”, I say “please don’t, send an ODT instead”, and they say “oh, just open it and read it, the format doesn’t matter.” But the format *does* matter, just maybe not to them at that time.

    Point: I imagine most people, watching TV Show X at home with their movie-theatre popcorn and Big Gulp, don’t have the mental capacity to realize that there’s something socially wrong about a TV show that noticeably leaves out an important race/gender/sexuality. They just want to watch something cool.

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    1. Or perhaps they do posses the mental capacity to realize there’s something wrong, it’s just that when someone has the chance to explain it they’d rather just mock them. Like right here. You could have explained to me or the person who wanted to use a word doc why the other one is a better choice, but instead you just walk away and then call us stupid for not understanding why you prefer one over the other. If we’re going to improve as a society we have to talk about improving and teach others, not sit in high towers and sneer at people.

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  5. Thanks for this article, it was super useful! One thing I’m confused about (so I’m asking this as a genuine question, not to disagree with you!) – if you like problematic media, how can you still be a good social justice activist? Isn’t liking it condoning it…?

    Thanks if you reply. 🙂

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    1. If you acknowledge the elements of the media that is problematic, then I don’t think you’re condoning it at all! If you say “Hey, X is a great show but this thing they do on it is NOT cool” is pretty far from condoning it because you’re engaging with the media critically. I think there’s room for a lot more nuance in conversations about social justice (and all conversations in fact) than just X is bad, and Y is good.

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  6. Thank you so much. I really hate mildly pointing out that something is problematic only to have everyone pile on saying “OH YOU JUST HATE EVERYTHING, YOU JOYLESS PC HUSK, LEARN TO ENJOY LIFE FOR A CHANGE…” But enjoying life (and lots of stuff) to the fullest and recognizing that shit is fucked up are not mutually exclusive; in fact I think they’re mutually dependent.

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  7. Thanks for this, what a great read! I’ve been thinking about this a lot….recently discovered its always sunny in Philadelphia and am a HUGE fan but it is problematic as all get out. The same goes for 30 rock as well. Anyway, great article.

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  8. So no one ever goes through a homosexual phase, and it’s offensive to even suggest that they might? Your position sounds a lot like intolerance of bisexuality.

    Seriously – I agree with 90% of what you say, but that last 10% makes you sound no better than the media you criticise.

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    1. Sexuality can be very fluid, but the trope of queer experiences being “just a phase” is highly macro-problematic because of its prevalence in media to treat queerness as an outlier or exception (ie. a person who “experiments” remains “straight”), which adds to the Othering.

      Your comment is also highly biphobic and misunderstand bisexuality. A person who is bisexual does not “go through a homosexual phase”; they remain bisexual and queer regardless of the gender of their partner(s). Just because someone who is bisexual has a partner of the opposite gender, doesn’t make what they do suddenly “straight”.

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  9. I need to print this entry out. I so agree with you. The bias in media is so thick that it’s hard for me to enjoy a novel, movie or TV show without noticing it’s prejudiced presuppositions, which it totally takes for granted. Though being able to see a work of fiction’s tired tropes and cliches from a mile away has jaded me as well.

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